Why Great Copywriters Make Terrible Copy Chiefs (And What To Do About It)

Bad Copy Doesn't Break Creative Teams. Writer #3 Does.

Most copy chiefs got the job because they wrote great copy. They never learned operations, performance management, or how to build training systems. The result is predictably bad: the team scales past two or three writers, quality collapses, and everyone blames the copy instead of the real problem.

The “magic sauce” that make someone a great copywriter is almost the opposite of the skills that make someone a great manager and trainer. Most creative leaders can’t even articulate how they make their own decisions, much less teach them to someone else.

In this episode of The Scaling Lab, Jairet and Kira sit down with Colin Chung — TNT’s Director of Creative Operations, with over half a billion in sales across his career and copy credits at Agora, Newsmax, Barton Publishing, Paleo Hacks, Jim Kwik, and Jay Abraham — to break down what creative operations actually looks like inside a team producing thousands of ads a month.

You’ll walk away with the structures, hiring filters, training systems, and feedback loops that let creative teams hit serious volume without quality collapsing — plus Colin’s unfiltered take on AI, juniors, and why the future of creative isn’t better ads, it’s better systems.

Key Takeaways

Understand why creative teams break the moment they grow past two or three writers (hint: it’s never just about the copy)
Discover the pod structure that integrates copywriters, strategists, and a performance manager from day one
Learn how to run a weekly “best ads” call that postmortems winners and losers — and why forcing “why?” into every analysis changes everything
Unpack the portfolio mix that protects against creative monotony and unprofitable chaos at the same time
Steal Colin’s bonus structure — designed specifically to kill internal toxicity before it starts
Get his hiring filters, including the two written tests every candidate runs and the one non-negotiable he won’t hire past
Hear Colin’s unfiltered AI take, and why the bigger problem isn’t replacement — it’s that nobody is training the juniors

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FAQ

When does a creative team actually need operations systems?
The moment you pass two to three copywriters. Below that, individual creative talent can still carry the work. Above that, you’re running a team — which means management, performance tracking, and training systems, regardless of how good the writers are. Most teams break here because they keep treating it as a creative problem when it’s now an operations problem.

What’s the difference between a copy chief and a real creative operator?
A copy chief gives feedback on copy. A creative operator builds the systems around the copy — hiring, training, performance tracking, postmortems, portfolio mix, bonus structure. Most copy chiefs got promoted for being good writers, but writing skill doesn’t automatically translate to operational skill. Colin’s five years of corporate management at eBay before he ever entered direct response is one of the reasons he can run both sides.

How does Colin train “diamonds in the rough” into high performers?
Two to three months of heavy micromanagement up front. Line-by-line feedback on every piece of copy, weekly one-on-ones to download his thought process, and constant pressure to get the writer to reiterate that thinking back. Once they’re thinking like an experienced strategist, feedback dials down and creative autonomy comes back. Skipping the front-loaded intensity is why most creative directors never produce strong juniors.

Can creative output really be systematized without killing the work?
Yes — if you protect the right percentage of unpredictability. Colin runs a portfolio mix of roughly 10% net-new, 50% verticals, and 40% horizontals, with 2 to 5% reserved for genuinely wacky ideas. Most of those wacky bets fail. A few become the next million-dollar format. Cutting that slice in the name of efficiency is how you end up with a sterile, well-organized team that stops producing breakthrough work.

What’s Colin’s take on AI in creative?
“AI is stupid and it lies to you.” His real concern isn’t AI replacing senior creatives — it’s that companies are using AI to skip hiring and training juniors, which means in 10 to 20 years there’s no experienced talent left to actually use the AI well. AI amplifies people who are already good at the work. It doesn’t manufacture them.

What’s the biggest red flag Colin watches for when hiring?
The diva. Writers who can’t take feedback, who try to skip the hiring process, or who email the end client directly because they think they’re above the system. Colin will pass on talented writers showing diva behavior — because at scale, the management cost of one diva is more expensive than the output of two solid team players.